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The Iron Cross betting strategy is extremely simple. All you have to do is to make a field bet combined with place bets on the numbers 5, 6, and 8 (as shown). Bets of the same size are usually made, although some players believe that it is necessary to increase bets according to a certain progression or vary them in any other way. Iron Cross is one of the betting systems with longest history. It has managed to become a part of the most-used Craps betting strategies because of the fact that it is considered a system that actually “wins most of the time”. The Iron Cross system is also among the most popular ones because it is not a complex betting strategy.Howdy!! I’m new here and am very impressed with this site.
Not sure if the Iron Cross is considered a system, but if it is, please feel free to move it over to the Betting Systems board. Since it is a method of betting in craps, I’m posting my question here.
I’m usually a PL bettor, and only occasionally bet DP. When I am betting PL, I usually put out a Any Crap/Crap Check bet on the come out roll to hedge my PL bet. I do the same thing to any CL bets I make. I know it is a sucker bet, but I prefer to think of it as winning $4 rather than losing $1 if a number comes up, and I don’t mind collecting the $2 on a win. Since I often throw craps a lot when I shoot, this is good protection for me.
Once the point has been established and I take my free odds, I usually bet the Iron Cross (Field, 5, 6,8). I find this is a fun, if lazy, way to play because I’m collecting money on every single roll as long as the dreaded seven doesn’t make an appearance. The only problem with this bet is when someone does a PSO, because then I lose everything.
I try to watch people at the table for a while, and get an idea of who tries to shoot the dice the same way every single time, and who just slings it down there. I also am one of those people who watches for something to happen three times, and then decide if it will happen again. I’ve noticed through totally unscientific observations and anecdotal evidence that most people can’t make it three rolls past the come out without sevening out. So, if they make three rolls past the come out roll, it is time to decide if I want to put the money on the Iron Cross or not.
The good thing about the Iron Cross is if someone hits the Field hard, especially 2 or 12, you can get back to even quickly, and begin making money. The only bad thing about it is if someone continually hits 6 or 8, you’re only scratching out a $2 or $4 or $8 win every roll.
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?dwmThe Iron Cross has a big house advantage and thus is a bad bet. Those that do know about the bet quickly learn it is not a good way to play this game. It sounds like a good bet at first glance, but in reality it does not do well.guido111
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?And you won’t.
It was popular in the 70s, the Mensa people back then said two thumbs up to the method.
Problem is, the very high house edge is hard to overcome the longer one plays.
A main reason is about 28% of ALL shooters end their hand with a PSO.
(1 in 9 shooters 7out on average on the second roll)
They may have had winners up to going out,
but the IC bettors always get their money on the table after every point is established.
28 out of 100, on average, is a very big number for losing because it could even be much higherwaltomeal
A main reason is about 28% of ALL shooters end their hand with a PSO.
Harrumph.Old enough to repaint. Young enough to sell.ahiromu
Not sure if the Iron Cross is considered a system, but if it is, please feel free to move it over to the Betting Systems board. Since it is a method of betting in craps, I’m posting my question here.
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?
For most intents and purposes, a ’system’ (derogatory term around here) is if you honestly think you’re beating the house edge. If you don’t think this, then welcome to the forum. What you have here is a strategy, which pretty much every ’career’ craps player has.
If you can get rid of the 5 place bet and go with a come bet with 2x odds, it’s not -that- bad of a strategy. We all have our quirks, mine is pressing way too hard and fast.Its - Possessive; It’s - ’It is’ / ’It has’; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They’re - ’They are’FleaStiffYes, I would agree that it is more ’strategy’ than the much-dreaded ’system’, but in reality the issue is that it is a hedge and thus erodes your profits when you win. There are alot of numbers in the field but what is use of betting on them when 5, 6, 7, 8 are all losers.
Those c’s and e’s are a real problem.. they mount up. You’ve made a bet but are trying to cushion yourself from a loss.. make the bet and take your chance, don’t try to hedge.SACR
For most intents and purposes, a ’system’ (derogatory term around here) is if you honestly think you’re beating the house edge. If you don’t think this, then welcome to the forum. What you have here is a strategy, which pretty much every ’career’ craps player has.
If you can get rid of the 5 place bet and go with a come bet with 2x odds, it’s not -that- bad of a strategy. We all have our quirks, mine is pressing way too hard and fast.
There is no magic way to beat the casino. If there was, someone would have found it by now, and they wouldn’t be able to afford to build the palaces they do, because they’d be broke.
The best time time deploy this strategy is when someone establishes 5, 6, or 8 as the point. Makes it a little cheaper to play it.
When I am not shooting, I usually bet the IC, and then if the shooter has a long roll going and has made me money, I begin to make some come bets. Often these come bets with end up being on 5, 6, or 8. If the shooter hits a come bet, I then take the winnings, replace the place bet, and make another come bet. If the shooter hits the point, then I become a pass line bettor. I look at it as an easy way to take advantage of a hot roll.
I think the most difficult roll in craps is the second roll, after the point has been established. Make it past that, and you can breathe a little easier.CrapsForever
I think the most difficult roll in craps is the second roll, after the point has been established. Make it past that, and you can breathe a little easier.
Truer words have never been spoken/written!Craps is the most ’Jekyll and Hyde’ casino game ever invented!ewjones080I’ve heard there are some casinos, not sure where, where they pay triple on BOTH 2 and 12. This would be the best place to employ, since the field action is ’free’ so to speak. This might also have been just a promotional thing.
Indeed the crap cheques add up in a hurry. That’s the one dumb bet that I’ll still make. My rationale is this: I want to bet specifically $20/shooter, but if there’s a come-out loser, or worse, a few, then I can’t bet specifically $20/shooter for 10 shooters necessarily. If other bets won, then I could, but if several shooters rolled just two come-out losers and NO winners, then I might be screwed.AZDuffmanIf you just want to enjoy yourself and need a way to bet AND believe in ’this player will have a long roll’ place an Iron Cross. The IC works if there is a long roll and the field numbers hit hard during it. When I do the parties I teach the ’modified iron corss’ where you:
1. Wait for a point of 5/6/8
2. Take 1 unit of full odds behind the PL
3. Place 2 units plus proper whites on the remaining 5/6/8
4. Bet one unit on the field
This way you get a net unit plus back on every non-7 roll. From a house-edge prespective it is not good. But what it does for me is give the players some activity as newbies get bored on long rolls. Many leave fast, especially women, because, ’This game is hard and boring!’
For action-junkies, it works. If you get a roll of >7 throws you are in the black.All animals are equal, but some are more equal than othersarthurdent33I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.
On the simulator I use a $5 minimum bet as follows, after the point is established:
Place a $10 bet on the 5
Place a $12 bet on the 6
Place a $12 bet on the 8
And a $5 field bet
I let the point be made then my decision points are:
If I win three straight rolls, I take all my bets down.
If the point is made, I take down the Field bet, if necessary, then start over.
And obviously, if a seven is rolled, I lose and I start over.
Bank roll is $300, if I ever get over $100 profit, take those profits and restart the game.
On a cold run, I sometimes reduce to two straight wins.
I find this to be profitable here, what does anyone think?WatchMeWinCraps Field Bet SystemsOn the right track.AxelWolfRolls eyes*♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you’re not a gamblin’ man Then you find you’re back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you’re able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin’ ’round and ’round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪LuckyPhow
I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.
I expect you will get about the same ’input’ as you received for your thread before your Vegas trip in January. Did you bet this Iron Cross in Vegas? Did you bet something else? Did you achieve your win goal frequently enough to pay for your trip expenses?
Iron Cross Craps Betting SystemAs you probably know, the Iron Cross works great if shooters have long rolls, but poorly if Red keeps crashing the party. You say you quit after 3 wins, which minimizes Red’s opportunity to crush you. But, you miss out when shooters have a long roll. Also, it takes several small wins (as you describe) to recover from just one point-seven out, so it’s easy to get way behind quickly. But, win or lose, betting the Iron Cross can sure be a lot of fun.pwcrabbWe may want Red to remain a distant prospect but the simple math says otherwise. The next Red requires only two future tosses to accumulate a 31% probability of occurrence and only four future tosses to accumulate a 52% probability. The analysis of course begins anew as each toss becomes history rather than future.
Here is a suggestion: observe a very long string of tosses and note that Red occurs in bunches, just like cars on a highway and any other random phenomenon involving time. The descriptive math is too complex to discuss here. Simply try to anticipate and dodge those bunches with your Iron Cross.’I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.’ Fitz-James O’Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)WatchMeWinTake your shota. Hit n run quickly. Fool the variance.WatchMeWinThanks for this post from:
Rolls eyes*
Rolls eyes back, brows down.’Winners hit n run.. Losers stick around’arthurdent33I did do this when I went to Vegas. I had the smarts to walk away after small losses and play hit and run a bunch of times. I didn’t pay for the entire vacation but a large chunk of it - ’too much’ quality time with my significant other to spend a lot of time at the tables. And as much as I love her, she is a bit spoiled and rather than using my comp at Excal, for her first trip to Vegas since her dad took her in high school to see his friend Sammy Davis Jr perform, she wanted to stay at the Palazzo. Free went to $1000 real fast!!! BTW, we had a great time, great meals, we saw Love, we visited he ex MIL for some reason. I won net about $600 - that ’system’ is a slow grind. The variation I want to use is after hitting my escape amount, I want to let what is on the table ride without replacing the Field bet. I have had a bit of luck here and I plan on hitting the bubble craps here next weekend.
So you can roll your eyes if that makes you feel better but all I was asking was for an opinion.
Next sessions I will keep a log.arthurdent33pwc, when I felt the table get cold, I reduced to two wins when possible and take down my bets. It is hard seeing too many rolls for numbers - especially after a bunch of 2’s and 12’s show up, but you get that special smirk when you take down your bets and a 7 shows up in a roll or two.odiousgambitshould somebody should step in and mention when fallacies and canards are prevalent in a certain thread? This happens with Craps and Baccarat threads in particular. We are all used to it, but on the other hand there are people who come to this site to be educated rather than to spread BS, what kind of minority that is I don’t know. One thing I have become convinced about, though, is that to some degree it is up to each of us to separate out that which is accurate from that which is not.
Buzzkill of course. I’ll just point out some of the dubious elements in this thread and the discerning newbie can take it from there.
Dubious or misleading claims or assumptions:
*hit and run as a viable strategy
*tables that were cold or hot will continue to be so
*clumping phenomenon of rolled numbers can be predicted
Best Craps Betting System*betting scenarios being ’profitable’Iron Cross Craps Hedgethe next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
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The Iron Cross betting strategy is extremely simple. All you have to do is to make a field bet combined with place bets on the numbers 5, 6, and 8 (as shown). Bets of the same size are usually made, although some players believe that it is necessary to increase bets according to a certain progression or vary them in any other way. Iron Cross is one of the betting systems with longest history. It has managed to become a part of the most-used Craps betting strategies because of the fact that it is considered a system that actually “wins most of the time”. The Iron Cross system is also among the most popular ones because it is not a complex betting strategy.Howdy!! I’m new here and am very impressed with this site.
Not sure if the Iron Cross is considered a system, but if it is, please feel free to move it over to the Betting Systems board. Since it is a method of betting in craps, I’m posting my question here.
I’m usually a PL bettor, and only occasionally bet DP. When I am betting PL, I usually put out a Any Crap/Crap Check bet on the come out roll to hedge my PL bet. I do the same thing to any CL bets I make. I know it is a sucker bet, but I prefer to think of it as winning $4 rather than losing $1 if a number comes up, and I don’t mind collecting the $2 on a win. Since I often throw craps a lot when I shoot, this is good protection for me.
Once the point has been established and I take my free odds, I usually bet the Iron Cross (Field, 5, 6,8). I find this is a fun, if lazy, way to play because I’m collecting money on every single roll as long as the dreaded seven doesn’t make an appearance. The only problem with this bet is when someone does a PSO, because then I lose everything.
I try to watch people at the table for a while, and get an idea of who tries to shoot the dice the same way every single time, and who just slings it down there. I also am one of those people who watches for something to happen three times, and then decide if it will happen again. I’ve noticed through totally unscientific observations and anecdotal evidence that most people can’t make it three rolls past the come out without sevening out. So, if they make three rolls past the come out roll, it is time to decide if I want to put the money on the Iron Cross or not.
The good thing about the Iron Cross is if someone hits the Field hard, especially 2 or 12, you can get back to even quickly, and begin making money. The only bad thing about it is if someone continually hits 6 or 8, you’re only scratching out a $2 or $4 or $8 win every roll.
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?dwmThe Iron Cross has a big house advantage and thus is a bad bet. Those that do know about the bet quickly learn it is not a good way to play this game. It sounds like a good bet at first glance, but in reality it does not do well.guido111
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?And you won’t.
It was popular in the 70s, the Mensa people back then said two thumbs up to the method.
Problem is, the very high house edge is hard to overcome the longer one plays.
A main reason is about 28% of ALL shooters end their hand with a PSO.
(1 in 9 shooters 7out on average on the second roll)
They may have had winners up to going out,
but the IC bettors always get their money on the table after every point is established.
28 out of 100, on average, is a very big number for losing because it could even be much higherwaltomeal
A main reason is about 28% of ALL shooters end their hand with a PSO.
Harrumph.Old enough to repaint. Young enough to sell.ahiromu
Not sure if the Iron Cross is considered a system, but if it is, please feel free to move it over to the Betting Systems board. Since it is a method of betting in craps, I’m posting my question here.
I don’t notice a lot of people playing the Iron Cross. Is it that people don’t know about the bet, or that the odds of getting even on that bet are so bad, people just avoid taking the chance?
For most intents and purposes, a ’system’ (derogatory term around here) is if you honestly think you’re beating the house edge. If you don’t think this, then welcome to the forum. What you have here is a strategy, which pretty much every ’career’ craps player has.
If you can get rid of the 5 place bet and go with a come bet with 2x odds, it’s not -that- bad of a strategy. We all have our quirks, mine is pressing way too hard and fast.Its - Possessive; It’s - ’It is’ / ’It has’; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They’re - ’They are’FleaStiffYes, I would agree that it is more ’strategy’ than the much-dreaded ’system’, but in reality the issue is that it is a hedge and thus erodes your profits when you win. There are alot of numbers in the field but what is use of betting on them when 5, 6, 7, 8 are all losers.
Those c’s and e’s are a real problem.. they mount up. You’ve made a bet but are trying to cushion yourself from a loss.. make the bet and take your chance, don’t try to hedge.SACR
For most intents and purposes, a ’system’ (derogatory term around here) is if you honestly think you’re beating the house edge. If you don’t think this, then welcome to the forum. What you have here is a strategy, which pretty much every ’career’ craps player has.
If you can get rid of the 5 place bet and go with a come bet with 2x odds, it’s not -that- bad of a strategy. We all have our quirks, mine is pressing way too hard and fast.
There is no magic way to beat the casino. If there was, someone would have found it by now, and they wouldn’t be able to afford to build the palaces they do, because they’d be broke.
The best time time deploy this strategy is when someone establishes 5, 6, or 8 as the point. Makes it a little cheaper to play it.
When I am not shooting, I usually bet the IC, and then if the shooter has a long roll going and has made me money, I begin to make some come bets. Often these come bets with end up being on 5, 6, or 8. If the shooter hits a come bet, I then take the winnings, replace the place bet, and make another come bet. If the shooter hits the point, then I become a pass line bettor. I look at it as an easy way to take advantage of a hot roll.
I think the most difficult roll in craps is the second roll, after the point has been established. Make it past that, and you can breathe a little easier.CrapsForever
I think the most difficult roll in craps is the second roll, after the point has been established. Make it past that, and you can breathe a little easier.
Truer words have never been spoken/written!Craps is the most ’Jekyll and Hyde’ casino game ever invented!ewjones080I’ve heard there are some casinos, not sure where, where they pay triple on BOTH 2 and 12. This would be the best place to employ, since the field action is ’free’ so to speak. This might also have been just a promotional thing.
Indeed the crap cheques add up in a hurry. That’s the one dumb bet that I’ll still make. My rationale is this: I want to bet specifically $20/shooter, but if there’s a come-out loser, or worse, a few, then I can’t bet specifically $20/shooter for 10 shooters necessarily. If other bets won, then I could, but if several shooters rolled just two come-out losers and NO winners, then I might be screwed.AZDuffmanIf you just want to enjoy yourself and need a way to bet AND believe in ’this player will have a long roll’ place an Iron Cross. The IC works if there is a long roll and the field numbers hit hard during it. When I do the parties I teach the ’modified iron corss’ where you:
1. Wait for a point of 5/6/8
2. Take 1 unit of full odds behind the PL
3. Place 2 units plus proper whites on the remaining 5/6/8
4. Bet one unit on the field
This way you get a net unit plus back on every non-7 roll. From a house-edge prespective it is not good. But what it does for me is give the players some activity as newbies get bored on long rolls. Many leave fast, especially women, because, ’This game is hard and boring!’
For action-junkies, it works. If you get a roll of >7 throws you are in the black.All animals are equal, but some are more equal than othersarthurdent33I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.
On the simulator I use a $5 minimum bet as follows, after the point is established:
Place a $10 bet on the 5
Place a $12 bet on the 6
Place a $12 bet on the 8
And a $5 field bet
I let the point be made then my decision points are:
If I win three straight rolls, I take all my bets down.
If the point is made, I take down the Field bet, if necessary, then start over.
And obviously, if a seven is rolled, I lose and I start over.
Bank roll is $300, if I ever get over $100 profit, take those profits and restart the game.
On a cold run, I sometimes reduce to two straight wins.
I find this to be profitable here, what does anyone think?WatchMeWinCraps Field Bet SystemsOn the right track.AxelWolfRolls eyes*♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you’re not a gamblin’ man Then you find you’re back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you’re able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin’ ’round and ’round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪LuckyPhow
I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.
I expect you will get about the same ’input’ as you received for your thread before your Vegas trip in January. Did you bet this Iron Cross in Vegas? Did you bet something else? Did you achieve your win goal frequently enough to pay for your trip expenses?
Iron Cross Craps Betting SystemAs you probably know, the Iron Cross works great if shooters have long rolls, but poorly if Red keeps crashing the party. You say you quit after 3 wins, which minimizes Red’s opportunity to crush you. But, you miss out when shooters have a long roll. Also, it takes several small wins (as you describe) to recover from just one point-seven out, so it’s easy to get way behind quickly. But, win or lose, betting the Iron Cross can sure be a lot of fun.pwcrabbWe may want Red to remain a distant prospect but the simple math says otherwise. The next Red requires only two future tosses to accumulate a 31% probability of occurrence and only four future tosses to accumulate a 52% probability. The analysis of course begins anew as each toss becomes history rather than future.
Here is a suggestion: observe a very long string of tosses and note that Red occurs in bunches, just like cars on a highway and any other random phenomenon involving time. The descriptive math is too complex to discuss here. Simply try to anticipate and dodge those bunches with your Iron Cross.’I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.’ Fitz-James O’Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)WatchMeWinTake your shota. Hit n run quickly. Fool the variance.WatchMeWinThanks for this post from:
Rolls eyes*
Rolls eyes back, brows down.’Winners hit n run.. Losers stick around’arthurdent33I did do this when I went to Vegas. I had the smarts to walk away after small losses and play hit and run a bunch of times. I didn’t pay for the entire vacation but a large chunk of it - ’too much’ quality time with my significant other to spend a lot of time at the tables. And as much as I love her, she is a bit spoiled and rather than using my comp at Excal, for her first trip to Vegas since her dad took her in high school to see his friend Sammy Davis Jr perform, she wanted to stay at the Palazzo. Free went to $1000 real fast!!! BTW, we had a great time, great meals, we saw Love, we visited he ex MIL for some reason. I won net about $600 - that ’system’ is a slow grind. The variation I want to use is after hitting my escape amount, I want to let what is on the table ride without replacing the Field bet. I have had a bit of luck here and I plan on hitting the bubble craps here next weekend.
So you can roll your eyes if that makes you feel better but all I was asking was for an opinion.
Next sessions I will keep a log.arthurdent33pwc, when I felt the table get cold, I reduced to two wins when possible and take down my bets. It is hard seeing too many rolls for numbers - especially after a bunch of 2’s and 12’s show up, but you get that special smirk when you take down your bets and a 7 shows up in a roll or two.odiousgambitshould somebody should step in and mention when fallacies and canards are prevalent in a certain thread? This happens with Craps and Baccarat threads in particular. We are all used to it, but on the other hand there are people who come to this site to be educated rather than to spread BS, what kind of minority that is I don’t know. One thing I have become convinced about, though, is that to some degree it is up to each of us to separate out that which is accurate from that which is not.
Buzzkill of course. I’ll just point out some of the dubious elements in this thread and the discerning newbie can take it from there.
Dubious or misleading claims or assumptions:
*hit and run as a viable strategy
*tables that were cold or hot will continue to be so
*clumping phenomenon of rolled numbers can be predicted
Best Craps Betting System*betting scenarios being ’profitable’Iron Cross Craps Hedgethe next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. .. Arnold Snyder
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